And isn't this the mistake that many of the film'scritics made, reading Ziegler's story as 'ruining' the mystery,desublimating the film's narrative by means of an all-neat-and-tidydenouement? <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. At what point do we decide whether Corpse Mandy's very. >on the balcony looking down> at Bill, knows that it is him and nodded to him. and then Bill says, "..you can't keep doing >> this," Mandy says, "Ya." 2. SoZiegler's principal role in the film and in this scene is as anunscrupulous defender of wealth and power and as a power-brokerintermediary (laying down the Law while also routinely transgressingit), threateningly indicating to Bill just what the rich and powerfulcan do and what they can get away with. The rhizomatic uncertainties anduncanny inconsistencies multiply And it is not immediately clearwhether Bill connects this Amanda to the masked woman at Somerton orto the overdosed Mandy in Ziegler's bathroom. I had absolutely no idea you were involved in any way. Ironically, that is just what power (and Ziegler)would want you to believe - that the world of power and power elitesdoesn't exist, is just all a charade anyway, that those who dorecognise the realities of social power and of desire are justparanoid conspiracy nutters (when in fact it is those whoattribute all that occurs in the film to 'a dream' who are beingproperly paranoid). -- Steven L.Email: sdli@earthlinkNOSPAM.netRemove the NOSPAM before replying to me. My extra-fat dictionary yields the following: "rhi'zome, n. A rootlike stem under or along the ground,ordinarily in a horizontal position, which usually sends out roots fromfrom its lower surface and leafy shoots from its upper surface.". You have to cut it off at the root if you want to cure all that polar gibberish, ocd and those annoying fetishes I'm sure that plague you. I recognized the voice of the mysterious woman first time I saw the film. The silence of the empty mind, like the silent empty space we see in 2001, is the best path to curing your mania. >>>>>>>>>>> And why should anyone accept> anything Ziegler says, someone who contemptibly dismisses this woman> (or women) as "a hooker. What else could he call it? Are you suggesting that the people running Somerton would let thewomen there know that there was an interloper? They paid off the desk cleark to tell Bill, that Nick was being roughed up, or perhaps the clerk is one of those men dancing with men at the ceremony/orgy and in fact Mandy, although on the slab was not really dead. Web1-48 of 339 results for "Eyes Wide Shut Mask" RESULTS Price and other details may vary based on product size and color. It is also perhaps worth pointing out that the Somerton events, thoughso described in countless reviews and commentaries on the film - arenot accurately called an orgy, as that would imply that female, inaddition to male, sexual desire would find free expression at such anevent. The poolroom scene is an amazing piece of extreme understatement, while at the same time, being simplke and concrete. The big question is how did the mask get there, and who left it? >He also must have recognized> the voice, considering that her voice is somewhat deep and throaty with a> tinge of distinctive accent. Wasn't the woman in the mask a lot skinnier than the ODd woman?? Bill is, after all, wearing a mask; not only that, butthe Mandy who was in Ziegler's bathroom the night before was 1. sodrugged out as to have been clearly incapable of making sense ofanything and 2. never actually spoke (just some unintelligiblemumbling), Ziegler doing all the talking and explaining. Well, in the interview with "Mandy" - Julienne Davis. It's just idiotic. >Bill was not yet sure it was Mandy from> the bathroom, till he happened to see the news story and saw the name> "Amanda," then it started to come together. This is still a mystery. (meaning > the Mysterious woman), ME"So..Victor the woman lying dead at the morgue was the> women at the party, well Victor, maybe i'm missing something > but what kind of Charade ends up with someone dead.". <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<. But then, Ziegler's 'explanation', his retconningof past events, only serves to further propel Bill into subjectivedestitution, another 'replay' of Bill's unmasking at Somerton, Zieglerpower-presiding over Bill's position and status at a red pool-tablemuch like Red Cloak presided over the power ritual on a red carpet atSomerton. He didn't recognise her voice. So check out Mandy's Wink on the slab---it's very fast, but it is there:), Yeah but he used the same actor for different roles in Dr Strangeloveand in some scenes of Eyes Wide Shut he has Cruise on a treadmillagainst a blue screen using real photography of NYC behind him, thenin the next scene Cruise is filmed against a set in england. (1) As more people opt for lasik surgery, he will not be able to hide behind those specs. - Ziegler> wasn't concerned about her health, just eager to get rid of her so as> to avoid any potential social embarrassment, "Bill, this is just> between us").>>> What is interesting is that the film's very ambiguity concerning the> identities of the three women (Mandy, masked woman, woman in morgue),> sets up a desire to 'fill in' all the film's narrative gaps and> deadlocks, a desire to shut down such uncertainty, to give - just like> Ziegler - an easy, 'commonsensical' black and white 'explanation' of> events. reinforced bythe simple observation that you have never actually posted here before[at least under your supplied handle/ID]. While Polanski is the master ofparanoia, The Ninth Gate had too many things wrong with it. He could choose to call it many things, but 'party'? >>>>>>>>>>>> And if this firgure was Ziegler, why would he subsequentlysend a naked masked woman over to Bill for his benefit? I think this feeling of guilt and outrage at a murder, would be the first thing on his mind. Related: Every Stanley Kubrick Movie Ranked, Worst To Best. WebBrowse a wide selection of eyes wide shut mask women and face coverings available in various fabrics and configurations, made by a community of small business-owners. Simply because we don't really know the extent of the "charade," from the Illuminatii/Secret government etc, OR what SK really had in mind---to blow our mind. Well I hope you see now that this is clear after reading the dialogue. "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message news:47881976$0$11015$4c36@roadrunner.com "Kelpzoidzl" wrote in message. People were dancing, there was music wearing costumes, and although > it was strange, calling it a "party," would not be unusual in the > slightest. In the spur of the moment people might first recognize voices, subliminally. <<<<<<<<. There are many, many readings of the story available, with the movie itself embracing a sort of dream/nightmare logic. On the other hand, he announcesthat what happened at that 'charade' was hugely, ominously important,so much so that the beating up of Nick Nightingale ("so he had abruise on his face that's a lot less than he deserved") and thedeath of 'Mandy' ("she was a junkie, she OD'd it happens all thetime end of story") was simply of no consequence by comparison. ", "I saw her body in the morgue. (and i'm sure that doesn't even begin to label them in full) They were nutcases. I recognized the voice of the > mysterious woman first time I saw the film.>>, >> it is clearly the same voice as the "mysterious woman." Does anyone else sense the inspiration of the mask designs from the film Eyes Wide Shut? <<<<<<<<<<<<<>. i'm sure he knew that aaudiences would be sophisticated enough toexamine the bodies as bill is doing in the morgue. at the > ceremony/orgy. There are many aspects of it that ARE still a > mystery such as I was suggesting with the costume. If he wereZiegler, wouldn't he instead be going out of his way to privatelycommunicate with Bill, to get Bill out of Somerton as quickly aspossible in order to avoid any possible trouble (and as Zieglersubsequently admits, Bill's gate-crashing 'made me look like acomplete fool')? The vagueness is intentional, but I think it is clear that it was Mandy all along, although apparently there was a body double for some scenes. He only ultimately acceptsZiegler's account because itgives him a convenient alibi (as well as because of Ziegler's powerfulposition - Bill is Ziegler's man, obeying his orders, subscribing tothe demands and realities of Ziegler's world). There's like a billion posts here at alt.movies.kubrick and you cansearch the archives for this information. Next: The Shining: Why Stanley Kubrick Changed Stephen King's Story. >>What else could he call it? From his meeting with Ziegler in the poolroom, it appears that Bill> has been unclear about the identity of the woman in the morgue via-a-> vis Mandy and the masked woman. ">> "Victor what can I say. > It's totally clear the "party' in this reference, is Somerton. Tom Cruise in the Masked Ball ritual scene from Stanley Kubrick's masterpiece Eyes Wide Shut with Jocelyn Pook's haunting score filling the temple. Think of that journey as Dr. Bill's "living nightmare" or "daydream," which began after he left his wife. > > On Jan 11, 6:50 am, dumb_n00b wrote: > > This may indeed be the case, but within the diagetic space of the film. Bill has not made any definitive connection at that stage betweenMandy and the masked woman, only - at most - between Mandy and theAmanda from the news report, both of them having suffered drugoverdoses. I enjoy the mystery entirely and will return to it over and over and could watch the film again and again. >Apparently word of Bill's entry into the ceremony/orgy traveled fast. People often don't make definitive connections between things at the moment. It is only when Ziegler respondspositively to Bill's question, "The woman at the party is the woman inthe morgue?" Before warning him, the WebEyes Wide Shut (1999) Abigail Good: Mysterious Woman, Masked Party Principal Showing all 3 items Jump to: Quotes (3) Quotes Mysterious Woman : Stop! 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