Retired in '02 as a Senior Chief(E-8 for you landlubbers). He did well on the entrance exams and was motivated to succeed. So its been about 2 weeks now and have been too scared to talk to him. Thank you for the quick replies. Should I just wait for him to contact me? I swear I was born in the wrong generation. My experience: I told the truth about something that should have been a non-issue. What Is The Biggest Lie You Ever Heard, Told Or Someone Told You? You were torn and want to be honest. We have been contacted by major union legal teams regarding this issue. Know preoperative, operative, and postoperative . Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited. How about this: Lying to join the military is a fraudulent enlistment and can result in a felony conviction. Most major airlines are in negotiations at this time, and many are contentious. The main difference between them is that with LASIK, a corneal flap is created and replaced, and with LASEK, the top layer of the cornea is loosened, moved, and reattached. She wanted to get out so bad she went full retard, doing something dishonorable to get thrown out on a general discharge. Talked to a bunch of people about it and asked why does it say "no" if clearly should have been "yes". Not sure why I didnt expect this or was told this. After a long conversation with my doc he said there is no way for them to find out unless you tell them. So I left his office and my recruiter took me to up to the hotel. Personally, go find another doctor that is ex-military that can weed through the BS. Lied at meps now need TS clearance - ClearanceJobs Blog And you'll be sidelined forever. With his counselor, they decided he should try medication (Sertraline/Zoloft) for control of his symptoms. Or should I be honest with my recruiter and if I cant get a waiver, lie at MEPS. What should I do if MEPS continues to request medical records that don't exist? Further, patients often don't ask what their diagnosis is--the patient is focused on their problems and not the administrivia in a medical record. Want to learn about deploying, finances, mental health, cross-rating, and more? All Rights Reserved. First, psychiatrists, psychologists, and sometimes doctors might not directly tell their patients their actual diagnoses because of the stigma and fear surrounding Mental Health. Quite a few of the guys in my squadron had a screw lose. I know a guy who lied about lasik because he didn't want to wait 6 months and nobody at meps found out. The criminal background check and security clearance investigations can and do find sealed records. It was not a mistake for being honest at MEPS, it was a mistake for being dishonest on the paperwork. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS, who would have requested a waiver, and she would have had a chance at a waiver by doing some additional evaluation. Glad to hear eye stuff is routine. He passed MEPS, signed a contract, and entered Basic Military Training (BMT). And more people are going to lie now that everyone is getting diagnosed with ADHD because they're not interested in school (and ADHD is a disqualifier). Thanks for the details. Looking at your previous 11 posts it looks like you might be joining the Marines. Firearm Discussion and Resources from AR-15, AK-47, Handguns and more! Should I be honest with my recruiter and try to get a waiver? He runs like 6 miles a day on it perfectly capable. Same with another section. In the end, I did everything I could to prove I was completely fine. Keratinous is NOT trifling; it is the major cause for corneal transplant in the US-a very expensive medical issue. Applicants often need further evaluation or counseling before they can live the rigorous and stressful military lifestyle. they'll find out if you need a Top Secret security clearance or if the issue comes up. I think the lesson here is not to tell people to disclose everything, becausethey won't. Though my friend told me his exam consisted of a puff eye test, exam for glaucoma screening. She said a recent one had about 30 pages regarding the procedure. However, herein lies the problem. . Downside, you might take a bit longer to get the green light to process and might also have to get documentation from your doctor that you don't need your meds anymore. He said the tests they do would not notice the lasik scar it's only if you tell them you had lasik that they do more in depth tests if there's any issues. As above: the truth is easy to remember, keep consistent and coordinate with others. Lying will. Good luck to you. If they ask, tell them it's a scar from when you were a kid. I got disqualified to join the Air Force/military and I wanted to let you all know what was going on and how I was disqualified by MEPS.. Come visit our wiki over in r/Navy. I think the individual is still at the MEPS stage of enlistment, and if I have understood him correctly, he is awaiting a medical waiver of sorts. Seriously folks, stop with the medical determinations. Okay, so I need some advice. They only care in the beginning because they don't want to waste money on you for "XYZ" reason for processing, no matter how bullshit it is. AF gives thumbs-up to pilots who had LASIK surgery - News - Stripes, Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. It will regenerate itself in about three to five days. You're still not getting it. Though would documentation from a psychologist count as documentation from a doctor bc I dont know how familiar doctor at a hospital would be with something related to a different field of medicine. Second, I got a ganglion cyst removed last summer. Integrity is what you do or how you act when no one is watching. Now the most commonly performed eye laser surgery, LASIK involves creating a partial-thickness corneal flap and using an excimer laser to ablate the bed of the cornea. Any help would be appreciated. The military is used to this, and they really don't care down the road. This includes lying by omission (leaving information out) and lying by commission (purposefully misleading). Option 1: Being truthful and working a waiver that is doable. My gramma always told me I had to be able to look at myself in the mirror, and know that if I couldn't-- I wouldn't sleep well at night. Recruiter told me to lie . I wouldn't recommend it (even ignoring the important integrity aspects of your question. and our ; and he asked my friend if he had ever smoked pot. x10 bus middlesbrough to newcastle price. That sent me down a long road of having to get a waiver for something that had no current medical basis and was utter medical fraud. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It seems like the most important mission of the army right now its safety and risk management, and with that in mind, it doesn't seem even remotely worth the risk. You might think to yourself, "How could he not know that he needed to disclose this information?" They may lie about behaviors, charges, and other possible information that could disqualify them from enlisting in the military. I even believed that my OR would appreciate my persistence in trying to get more info while he is on leave this week. 27. You are using an out of date browser. This applies to ANY wildcat actions, including slowdown, work-to-rules, withdrawal of enthusiasm (WOE), sickouts, etc. Second, you state that the ORs are pushing you to lie. See Article 83 UCMJ. I've done the 1 month check and will do the 6, 3 months is coming up so I'll have to get that on the books. Take the advice and think on it. The young man did see another counselor in the same clinic, who identified several other stressors in his life, including moving away from home to begin college, worries about the cost of college, and a strong fear of public speaking. I think the chief issue is your pattern of distrust..and confidence in superiors. While there, he experienced the emotionally stressful and physically demanding environment of being a Trainee at Lackland AFB. Nice guy and not pushy. Your Recruiter will not be the one getting in troubleit will be you. They'll simply deny him enlistment and move-on. Shoulda been a dishonorable. I got disqualified for disclosing a medical issue. I called the head recruiting office in my district and he said the same thing (trust but verify), that letters of rec are no longer considered important to packages. Option 2: Lie. So if you do lie and something goes wrong at buds, they do have the right to dig through your medical history and they will probably find out about the surgery and lasik. SSG Sean Donahue - Though your verbiage is way bolder than mine (my post on this issue is above) I fully agree with you!!!! Interested in Officer programs? What I love is everyone parrots RECRUITERS ALWAYS LIE. MEPS consult will do the corneal mapping, so no, we don't just guess at the diagnosis. Do not attempt to interpret the questions your recruiter and MEPS will ask you--answer them as they are written. JavaScript is disabled. The largest military subreddit on reddit. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You must log in or register to reply here. If you struggle from any of the conditions mentioned below, it is a good idea to speak with a local U.S. Military recruiter. 03-10-09, 06:54 PM #10. redsox1804. HELP!!!! Anyways I called him a few weeks ago telling him I am interested. He stopped seeing the counselor after only 6 months from beginning counseling and successfully continued his college education. Unfortunately, she needed to go to sick call several times for persistent coughing. After boot camp is MCT where all Marines go regardless of MOS. The suicide counselor for the cousin recognized that our young man was confused and worried from his family's recent crisis. She could have been honest about her history and told the Recruiter, who would have told MEPS. If MEPS already okayed my medical documents, can they go back and try to get more info? There's been zero issues from the surgery and was absolutely necessary as I couldn't do more than 10 pushups without the wrist being in terrible pain. One guy kept getting ahold of his prrsonal items somehow and got caught playing a saxophone in the barracks. I was still in high school, wrecked my car and tore up my hand a few weeks later, was medically discharged :/. He told me not to worry about it and say "no". So do you think the cost is worth the benefit? Some background, I was diagnosed with ADHD when I was younger and thus have ADHD and have a prescription for but find that I dont really need it for things other than standardized tests which is not really al that ADHD related Im just a bad test taker. The recruiter will come up with the necessary "details" of what happened and will move on to the next recruit. Adhd is no big deal, however if it's serious I would lie. : r/USMCboot. Because he felt that his condition was very mild, and that it was part of his cousin's support program, he did not disclose this to his Recruiter, nor MEPS. Once you have gone through initial questioning phases with your recruiter and have discussed your options, your recruiter will set an. Lied at MEPs about mental health history and drug history. And if you don't know what to do, you have no business applying to the military. What's the deal? Does MEPS pull your military medical records. I genuinely had not considered that the way I'm acting could be considered morally suspect, or aggravating to the recruiter. I had the surgery in august of 2014. Penalties for False Enlistment As stated on the Army enlistment contract you sign, lying at MEPS regarding medical or mental health history is a terrible idea with serious implications. The doctor who found it said it not a big deal and they will let me in . Handle this the right way, as you should all things. The purpose of this script is to help protect users from doxing, stalking, and harassment. ", he thought the answer was "No" because his cousin was the one getting counseling and he hadn't been diagnosed. One of the worst things in the world is getting a fraudulent enlistment discharge after making it through 2 months of boot. Thanks! Don't they pull your medical records, or did this happen after they checked? You may need further evaluation or counseling before you can live a rigorous military lifestyle. MEPS stands for Military Entrance Processing Station. If people can lie about weed I dont see any moral dilemma about you lying about ADHD. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. In bootcamp a kid had asthma and almost passed out going through the chicken road and he got kicked out for lying about his asthma, so I would be honest. Hello, thank you everyone for this forum, it has been incredibly helpful. How do recruiters get medical records to MEPS for a med read? I feel like this is a test so see if I won't bother to accrue some letters regardless and I'm not sure what to do. I don't want to waste the time of past professors and employers if it doesn't matter. Anyone with any experience or advice? Sometimes Its in medical professionals best interests to lie. Bit of stretch that anybody would have any insight on this subject, but the only thing stopping me from getting accepted for MEPS is my LASIK documentation. They don't understand this stuff. This is for prior service and new applicants. Should I lie/not mention LASIK when I finally go to MEPs? why worry about it if it becomes a problem deal with it then. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. Downside, potentially get caught, hit with fraudulent enlistment, permanently disqualified. I was told I had heart murmur when I was 6 and was told that I would grow out of it little to say I didnt they found it at meps . The flap is then placed back into its original position. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Processing Stations (MEPS) Your visit to a Military Entrance Processing Station (MEPS) determines your mental aptitude, as well as physical and moral qualifications for enlistment in the Army. Put me in the disqualified for medical category. They need to have a psychologist evaluate everyone at meps. My 90 day period was more like 2 months, because that's when they called me back for a followup, so it wouldn't have made sense (distance traveled and financially) to go back a month later for a '90 day' followup. Buy, Sell, and Trade your Firearms and Gear. Did I Lie at MEPS??! The forms tell you that you must disclose it. A bunch of others told me to just play dumb . Lying will. See TheBeneGesseritWitch's guide on Paths to become an Officer. I just finished MEPS after having LASIK.I had to provide all medical documentation from the surgery (pre-op, post-op information, etc.) Texted him asking if he got the paperwork and he said he did (at this point I knew a commander came in and talk to the two and now I know he is pissed). I think that I am going to just forget that it ever happened. Ive had the doctor write two letters and both have not been good enough. I got LASIK a few months ago, I know the minimum time from surgery to MEPs has to be at least 6 months. Its in your best interest to get through MEPS. In my experience meps isn't that deep of a medical check and it's fairly disorganized. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. He. MEPS, Eye Exam, and Lasik It is against the APC Forum Rules to advocate any labor action which is not authorized by the RLA/NMB. MEPS, short for Military Entrance Processing, rolled out a new system yesterday called MHS Genesis. Press J to jump to the feed. He also said that as long as I take care of it before I leave, I'll be fine. This is my reaction as I am. Recruits who pass their physical and have no prior history may be accepted because the military does not routinely pull medical information. It is best that you speak with your recruiter and explain that you failed to mention it as your doctor told you it was not an issue. !, Military Life and Issues, 8 replies Lying scumbag Johnson on MSNBC lying-no challenge from host, Elections, 31 replies If you lie about it at MEPS, and get Lying at MEPS, HIPAA and security clearances. Currently trying to fill out a packet for OCS, but my recruiter informed me that meps declined my medical history. A slight delay in schedule will not change your end game. If I go back to my doctor and ask them to fill it out with the actual dates (even though its not exactly on the mark of '90 days'), will it be a waste of time to send back to MEPS, maybe with a statement attached? JavaScript is disabled. and was it a mistake for being honest at MEPS? This was the man who my friend had confessed his pot usage to when we first showed up a month ago, but now my friend lied to him and he accepted the lie without hesitation. Downside, you might take a bit longer to get the green light to process and might also have to get documentation from your doctor that you don't need your meds anymore. They don't understand how a broken leg or asthma when they were a kid can come back, they don't understand how mental issues are severely exacerbated under stress-- because they think their phone breaking is stress, and they dealt with that just fine. We all come to this website for information and most of us have been corrected on our approach by the main contributors in some fashion. Below are abstractions of a true stories. Further investigation found she had a suicide gesture about 6 years earlier due to stress from a recently ended relationship, loneliness (had no friends for support), and academic struggles (failing some college courses). I am perfectly health for Army service and will be telling hte MEPS doctors that *Must have a registered ARFCOM account to win. You will not be able to live the Army values and lead Soldiers in the future. Wait 1-3 years off the medication. However, they also discovered that the member received some depression counseling about 2 years before her MEPS visit, which she conveniently omitted. Do not lie, falsify, or hide information. You have runs risk that a Soldier could not live with. I knew she couldn't hack it but she joined anyways). Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. 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