https://apis.mail.yahoo.com/ws/v3/mailboxes/@.id==VjN-iN4Wr8P_P2lGU6m2M5Rd8F6tVxyeeWdzleA_0eUoKjB0wER5wbVU_ouLj3uKCvLmUWhjIv2uHVC2R0Wv8Q9VgQ/messages/@.id==AMxkWSMoHX4bYSzMKA0AINojDH4/content/parts/@.id==2/refresh?appid=YMailNorrinLaunch&ymreqid=ae6c4f7d-acdd-ffa3-1c80-d70000011c00. Sig p320 Max potential extractor issues I found a good deal on a p320 max and was hoping to pick it up, but while doing my due diligence, I came across quite a few posts with people having bent extractor issues. Withe the P320 Sigs contract was $169.5 million, $103 million cheaper then Glock. I could just purchase another 9F kit and keep the malfunctioning kit for parts or send it in for repair and sell it when it gets back to recoup some of the costs. Steel casing ammo much better off in polymer mags. Going to have to feed it some more ammo this weekend to see if the problem happens again. Pasted as rich text. NO, SIG has a problem that they would rather fight in court. That wont last for long, the P320 (M17 AND M18) are already failing in the field. SIG P320s were just the start and the P365 isnt far behind. I was running 165 Xtreme RN plated with 2.7 of VV310. Jeff Bagnell, a lawyer in Westport, Conn., who has litigated 10 cases, mostly by commercial gun owners, related to SIG P320 misfires across several U.S. states, took note of the accident involving the Canadian special forces soldier. Got a whole lot more than the handful you've got pictured too! In the former case, you would need upward movement coming to a sudden stop to bump up the drop safety at the same time you imparted rearward momentum to the gun to try and move the striker. The Sig Sauer P320 Extractor is a Factory OEM Sig Sauer part. He spent nearly a decade in the non-profit world, working with international development agencies and anti-poverty groups. They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. P320 9/357/40 EXTRACTOR ASSEMBLY - CORROSION RESISTANT Replace a worn extractor or get a spare for your P320 with this factory one. Its just that with hundreds of millions of firearms in the hands of more than one-third of the countrys population including a lot of cops some number of negligent discharges will inevitably happen. So does any of this mean theres something wrong with the P320? The military is much smarter and no, the gun is not junk. Sent the old kit (as a complete pistol) off to Sig for warranty repair. Double check that the mag is fully seated and there is a round in the chamber. BAM. He holds a masters degree in public administration from Columbia University. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? Sig made a subtle change to the length of the extractor spring, and the geometry of the extractor claw. He was happy to find this post and that it confirmed that he felt the case support looked inadequate. You need to deliberately thumb the Pythons hammer back to get that trigger pull, each and every time. I continue to bet my life on them. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. I have a 2015 born sc that has almost 2k rounds thru it & not one fte has occurred. There are tens of millions of gun owners, far more than there are cops, and the VAST majority of those folks buy their guns and drop them a nightstand drawer or up on a closet shelf and leave it until theyre needed. Nope. ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. This is why we now have back up safeties on garden tractors and riding lawn mowers. Like others said I never had a problem before this. I would just order a new extractor and related components and try the gun again. World renowned and the choice for many of the premier global military, law enforcement and commercial users. But that's just me. https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/. In my opinion, the only reason SIG would have done that is if they knew there was a safety problem with the original gun, otherwise they would not have done it., Scott says Harrison reviewed the claims in Officer Hiltons lawsuit and said, its unclear to (Harrison) what could now be causing misfires in the upgraded guns., Scott then asked Harrison if he believes the P320 should be removed from the marketplace. But breaking news here, skippy. The pistol is popular with commercial gun owners and law enforcement south of the border. Maybe you got one by the same people. That show with no Shatner-Kirk and only a Nimoy-Spock wouldnt have gotten past the first season. LOL! Sometimes in front, straight back, just barely falling out and down, and even to the LEFT. Here's the video, if anyone's still interested in this topic: https://youtu.be/ilFcfIyUz6U My results are the same (about 2k rounds later). So it never had a history of a potential valid claim for ambulance chasers to work off of. I think in the end even if there is no mechanical defect (dont hold your breath) it will be found that the Sig is causing accidental discharges for the same reason the Glock does, because if you snag the trigger on the Sig model that does not have a manual safety (some do) the gun will accidentally fire. You can feel the point when it binds, or sticks, even when manually operating the action slowly May 2 . Sig actually states to never use steel casing ammo. Because its flat out bull**it. If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. Keep the phrase legal momentum in mind. True b. But Im observant enough to see the same voices that said in 1985 that This new fangled Glock is a just a plastic toy! CBC News reached out to Sig Sauer and its Canadian distributor, M.D. Period. A too light 1911 as some use in competition or God Forbid for carry- could jump the sear if dropped. Where is this lightning striking twice? brakes, remember? If you can make the trigger move backwards, all bets are off. You did get to sit and watch it with him, which leads to a serious question. Well I jumped in bed with ma and pa , told them that the devil was in Arkansas. Tyler Freel Nuts and Bolts of the Sig-Sauer P320 XTen. And then theres Gunter Walker, a civilian, who says his P320 fired on its ownwhen he placed the weapon down on his nightstand, shooting him through the palm of his left hand.. Cars have so many electronics these days, who knows what could have gone wrong! They simply have never been seen in the upper echelon of handgun makers, their entire business model is to offer cheaper guns at cheaper prices. Read the entire article to find out! Now when you lose your grip on lawn mowers or snow blowers they will not keep travelling foreword all by themselves. It is not the first time I have heard someone say they sent the pistol back to SIG for extraction issues, and it came back with a visibly different extractor. Contacted late Friday, a spokeswoman for special forces said the investigation is still ongoing and would not confirm the companys findings. We rely on readers like you to support the local, national, and international coverage on this website. a. It's been my EDC since that time and has been 100% reliable. So i finally sent in my 320sc for the upgrade. . abprototype.com can add the manual safety as well as add the notches in the grip frame. A few Warbirds decloaking would make me very nervous if it wasnt sci-fi fantasy. Trying to categorically say Brand X is better than Brand Y! Bagnell also represented Virginia Sheriffs Deputy Marcie Vadnais who sued SIG when she said her P320 went off on its own when she was removing the weapon from her belt. Vadnais was featured in the Nightline version of ABCs report. Thanks for the replies guys and gals. https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan Once investigated a shot fired into a roll top desk. This highly trained Fibbie was doing flips while dancing (breakdancing? Have you tried a different slide and barrel. never got into the P320 It is to me a Range gun not a carry gun. I wont argue theyre wrong, I dont own one, dont want to. I seem to remember one failure some time ago. Thats why the US Marines have Sigs. And thats just my opinion. In stock. It nicely describes what has to happen in a striker-fired P320 for an un-commanded discharge to happen as the plaintiffs have claimed. Ive putabout 2000 rounds through it no issue, but the other day I was at the range and had a case separation. It has nothing to do with Glock. Display as a link instead, That focus drifts. In this version, Bridge City Officer Brittany Hilton tells her story of what she says happened when her P320 discharged as she was carrying it in her purse in what appears to be a SERPA holster (which has had its own problems, but thats another story). The weapon was out of battery when it fired.. . By, March 2023 Fund Drive Rules and Regulations, Persons with disabilities who need assistance accessing NHPR's FCC public files, please contact us at publicfile@nhpr.org. Looking for possible tips before she starts to get frustrated. Whats this silly BS? and youve gotten this far reading our thread. Sorry for the long post but I just needed to vent my tale of woe. Note also that ABC didnt provide any context for the number of suits filed against SIG. People who had problems have been replacing them with Lightning Strike SS ones. Especially since they farm it out to the lowest bidder. The nose of the extractor does appear to be peened slightly, but this may be normal. Then 4 to 6 week wait for repair. Carrying a handgun in a purse, particularly one that isnt designed specifically to carry a firearm, is problematic at best. (the only place you can ship a firearm) Remove my fiber optic sites and replace with the factory sites. This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. All chasing that pot of gold at the end of litigation.. Not that big of a stretch when considering the lawyers beating the bushs for clients to add to the lawsuits, and the fact many of them will lose their jobs if its proven to NOT be the gun, but instead negligence on their part. Stupid marine, cop, citizen, its their fault. If you want to find the lowest form of life on the planet interview any C.E.O. Almost like they used a revolver forcing cone cutter to give it a elongated mouth to enhance feeding. Sigs suck and my Glock is awesome!. Too expensive to use their customers as beta testers. The tendency is for people to say "I've shot thousands of this load, and nothing has ever happened before." Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. $8.95. But the reality is that the military has been using the Sig P320 for almost 5 years and they show no signs of changing. You need a lead that can be the lightening rod and not be afraid to make an ass of themselvesit give the watcher permission to take it seriously. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Fired case is extracted about a quarter of an inch. I've been using 120 bayou .358 dia. And I have a separate channel for mall ninja training tips. , 54 people all shooting themselves. Upload or insert images from URL. Why you and I are arguing over a gun that neither owns or will own, There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. After many years of testing, we've developed a replacement part that . Legacy slides will have either an internal extractor or a short external extractor. Tried different mags? Both versions of #1 and #2 can be caused by the gun short stroking. (unless theyre SWAT or something). Still no issues except an occasional FTF as I play with ammo loads and seating depths. He is acting as a consultant in the Collette suit that was filed last week. Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. One hell of a conspiracy. The more someone touches, loads, clears, cleans, holsters, un-holsters, or otherwise deals with their firearm, the higher the statistical likelihood that complacence kicks in. This is the goal of those who would disarm us at the Post Office, as we take little Yevgeniy or little Shaquina to school, as we fulfill our civic responsibilities as jurors to judge our peers, as we travel to and through less free jurisdictions. It was ejecting shell casings all over the place. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. Trying to gauge how widespread the problem is. Theyre the only product that is not. Then shoot. Charlton posted to the online commercial forum Canadian Gun Nutz, describing the CBC News piece as inaccurate and promising SIG Sauer would release a statement. If you think of anything else, post it and I will reply. USA. rpm8300 Good thing you werent serious, thatd be terr..uh.oops. And the 320 has a very easy to replace extractor. If they recruit smart cops, they wont have cops who will act against their political opponents outside of the constitution. If you cant get it working , call SIG and send it back. My bet would be that someone had a fully loaded gun in a gym bag and a cloth or rag snagged the trigger. Today on Tactical Fellowship! Yes, its reliable, but no more so than most other major brands well known models. The linkage isnt, but the way the striker leg and sear face mate up, the two materials being MIM castings, the small camming action, etc. But it also has much worse quality control on the parts in my experience owning and working on both. That was me. Remember the stupidity of the far right is infinite and the blind greed of the gun makers prove they could not care less about human life and suffering. Capitol Police Officers Explanation for Shooting and Killing Ashli Babbitt Is Riddled With Problems, The City of Wichita Raked In Almost $200,000 Selling Seized Guns in the Last Five Years, Fifth Circuit Finalizes Ruling In Favor of Plaintiff in Cargill v. Garland, Legalizes Bump Stocks in Three States, Patriot Picket Lets Marylanders Know What to Expect From the Legislatures Bruen Response Bill, New From ShaloTek: P320 Compensated Slide, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/dea-agent-lee-paige-still-wont-go-away/, https://sofrep.com/news/dod-evaluation-says-armys-new-sig-sauer-p320-service-pistol-riddled-issues/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jsu6WsSQ2_g, https://millsentertainment.smugmug.com/William-Shatner-The-Wrath-of-Khan. Another possible cause is using light loads where the slide isn't cycling far enough to hit the ejector. The chamber on the 320's is horribly unsupported and a questionable design in my opinion. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. If these same folks were around in the 80s and got their way, no one today would know what a Glock was. 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